tf 4000 aUdio problem

[subbe67]

Dear sir
i am italian and dont speack deutchland.. sorry 1 but i have buy recenteli a tf 4000 pvr hdd 40 gb; i use it with one tuner only and with a cam dragon 4,01 with last predator 3,41; i have same problem when i make a recorder of a sky television channel because same time, not always, but frequentely on the same channel; i have a recorder program on the hdd with a random audio bleack out for few seconds .. but on other channel i no have this problem ... i have find more person that have this problem but more persone that no have this problem.. and all this person use the same cam dragon with the same firmware ...
whot i can do to no have this problem ???
Thano you for the replay!

[Twilight]

you have to connect the "tuner 1 out" with "tuner 2 in" with a short cable.
then copy the channellist from tuner 1 to tuner 2 and switch tuner 2 from "separated" to "loop through"

twilight

[subbe67]

you have to connect the "tuner 1 out" with "tuner 2 in" with a short cable.
then copy the channellist from tuner 1 to tuner 2 and switch tuner 2 from "separated" to "loop through"

twilight

thank you for the replay... i have understand and i will try to do it but i dont undestand why i need to do this ... in the future i will connect the second tuner with a second lnb this will have same problem ?
thank you !

[Twilight]

your receiver has 2 tuners. if you don´t connect anything on the tuner 2 (loop thru cable or (much better) a cable from a second lnb) then you can´t use all features that your 4000 has.
with the loop through cable you can use the 2nd tuner when a record is running on the first tuner.
it is not possible to use all channel then, but much more without using tuner 2 with the lop through cable.
and the 4000 knows which channel you can use in this case. so it presents only these channels on the 2nd tuner.

twilight

and....we are not sir´s we are topfieldusers like you

[subbe67]

ok ! user ....
Thnak you for the explication... but you think that whti this loop i will no have the recording audio problem?? now i try and i tell you !

Thanks

other thing ... you think is possibile download the recorded program in a pc whithout take away yhe Hdd from the topfiled but directeli using the rs232 or other metod ??

Thank you !

[Axel]

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other thing ... you think is possibile download the recorded program in a pc whithout take away yhe Hdd from the topfiled but directeli using the rs232 or other metod ??

Thank you !

Hi,
RS232 can be used to transfer files with an appropiate program on the PC (I don´t remember the name ), but keep in mind, that by the very limited transfer-rate of RS232 it will take 3 days per normal length recording (1,75 h recording))
There are some people, that added a USB Port to the internal disk. Better solution would be to put the disk into an external frame, that an also be put to a PC

[subbe67]

thank you for the replay.. i have make the loop but in a recorder there always this audio problem! are a little bit less frequentely but there are always !! woth i can do now??
i dont understand because are a problem that have only a less nuber of frind that have this decoder...

[subbe67]

Hi,
RS232 can be used to transfer files with an appropiate program on the PC (I don´t remember the name ), but keep in mind, that by the very limited transfer-rate of RS232 it will take 3 days per normal length recording (1,75 h recording))
There are some people, that added a USB Port to the internal disk. Better solution would be to put the disk into an external frame, that an also be put to a PC

may you give me same link for document expiliching the way to put a usb connector on topfield and for to convert the hdd in a removal hard disk

[Axel]

Hi,
unfortunately all in german language

for USB:
http://www.cyvr.de/topfield/index.html

for the external Disk (Disk in a seperate Frame = Wechselrahmen)
http://board.topfield.de/viewtopic.php? ... hselrahmen

[Homer]

Wechselrahmen = mobile rack

Viele Grüße
Homer

[subbe67]

thank you for the link ! is all very intresting..

but now i would like to understand because my recorder trasmision have the audio problem.. i have recoderd a trasmission in the same time i see it wiht no audio problem .. but the recording have same times audio bleack out for few seconds!!..

[Twilight]

in that moment is the screen very dark ? in that case it is a known 4000 problem....

twilight

[subbe67]

no isnt a screen problem but audio :

when i see a recorder transmission same time, but not all time, the the audio is off for few second but only the audio and not on all the trasmission recorded... i have try to see the trasimission and the rocder record the same trasmission in teh same time.. when i see the trasmission on sat there non audio problem... but waen i play the recoded transmission i have the audio black out random... i dont udersand because is i have se the trasmission is all ok when i see the recored there are random audio bleck out ????

[Twilight]

do you have the aktual firmware on the 4000 ?
try a reset with a new channelsearch.

what i have written discribes no black out of the picture and sound. it means when you have a dark picture in the film it its possible that you have a sound drop out in the same time by scrambled channels (and only when you look the movie from the hard disk...)

twilight

[subbe67]

i try to make e resintonization for the decoder... but the audio is down when there is anot black screen... the screen is always on ! the decoder is new but is possibile is a hdd problem ?? the hdd is the original 40 gb ...

[Twilight]

try another if the audio drop out is every time on the same position then it is possible that the harddisk has a problem.

twilight

[subbe67]

.. i have change the hard dik but the problem remain !! i am tied about this 1 the 4000 have all i need only when i record a crypted program the audio have same bleck out !! you thin there is samthing to do now ????

PLEASE HELP ME !!!!!!!

[Axel]

Hi,
are you shure, that the TF4000 does do the audio-drop ?
Have you ever tried to connect the audio-cinch (red and white) to an amplifier ?
If the problem is not heard on a Hifi-set, it could probably be a problem on the TV ??

Also you can try using the VCR-Scart of the TF4000 (only CVBS Video !!).
This output has fixed volume.

[subbe67]

Hi,
are you shure, that the TF4000 does do the audio-drop ?.

Of course !!!

Have you ever tried to connect the audio-cinch (red and white) to an amplifier ?
If the problem is not heard on a Hifi-set, it could probably be a problem on the TV ??

Also you can try using the VCR-Scart of the TF4000 (only CVBS Video !!).
This output has fixed volume.

This is NOT a hi.fi. problem.. is not a scart problem.. but is a decoder problem that with recording same crypted channel the record have the audio droped ! but only the playback because if i see at the same time the channel i see it with not audio problem.. and i have this also if i recorde a channel and i see another and if i see the same channel that i record and if i copy the crypted recorded to a no crypted ... Also i have the same problem with the time shift on ... i have the same audio problem... i am very tied !!!

[Axel]

again:
Have you ever tried to connect the audio-cinch (red and white) to an amplifier, and then played back the same recording, that made the problems. did you then also hear the drop-outs.

I don´t say, that the Tf4000 is not the source of the problem, but first we have to find out, what is going wrong:
is it a video (snyc, black-level) problem, that results in audio drop-outs or a real audio problem.
This can be tested best by connecting an amplifier to the audio outputs.
Also it helps to know, that the audio on the VCR-Scart does also produce the problem or not, because on VCR-Scart, the volume-control of the TF4000 is bypassed.

To know, which connectors produce the problem and how they do it or not (video-dependant or not), is helpful in locating the source of the failure.

So please try, what I explained

best regards