Neue FW 1.03.02 auf koreanischem Server

[Maliboy]

Keiner weiß, was in Korea abgeht. Du hast aber recht. Dadurch das die Firmware wahrscheinlich nur aus Modulen besteht, sollte das mit einen entsprechenden Include zu lösen sein.

@Twilight
Wer brauch das Conax? Das wird wie beim 5200er sein. Der konnte auch Conax, war aber von der Hardware bis auf die Tuner Platine ein Waschechter 5000er. Darum konnte man ja die IDs entsprechend patchen.

[Twilight]

sicher, du hast recht, aber trotzdem soll man sich im klaren sein das dann conax weg ist...

ich habe keine ahnung wer conax braucht, denke mir aber wenn jemand so ein gerät kauft hat es einen grund

twilight

[Maliboy]

Ja, weil es nichts anderes mehr gibt. TF hat das nicht Conax Model ja schon zu den Früheren Produkten Verschoben. Sprich: Mein Modell ist schon EOL.

[camello]

Da SmartEPG seit dem neuesten Update nun die Deaktivierung des Vor-/Nachlauf-Checks integriert hat (muss in der ini-Datei gesetzt werden), kann die neue Firmware nun problemlos verwendet werden.

Meine Erfahrungen mit der FW sind übrigens durchaus positiv. Die neue Entschlüsselungsautomatik finde ich sehr elegant gelöst!

[Twilight]

i will delete this also...stop to post erverywhere the same

twilight

[2401]

i will delete this also...stop to post erverywhere the same

twilight

Please read it. It is not the same! It is similar way corrupting recording but it is triggered different way. I'll post again. Please read it this time before deleting.

[2401]

Corrupting recordings!
I found this serious problem with the 1.03.02 firmware (download from Korean server).

These are steps to replicate this problem.

1. You need an ENCRYPTED HD channel. Pick one (let's call this "Channel 1") and make short recording (10 minutes or so) from the same channel and make sure you don't switch channels or play anything else to make sure the recording is FULLY decrypted (blue dollar icon). Let's call this "File 1" Only when this is ready proceed with next step.

2. Make sure you are on "Channel 1" and stay there

3. Make short timer recording (5 minutes) from "Channel 1" starting from 5 minutes (it is important that the recording does not start right away!!!!). Let's call this "File 2"

4. Start playing the "File 1" (the recording you made in the Step 1). Make sure you start playing it BEFORE recording definined in the Step 3 (File 2) starts!!! Keep playing it until the recording (defined is the Step 3 / File 2) is finished

5. Start playing the "File 2" (the recording you made in Step 3). You will see that it is unplayable/corrupted. Only black screen and text message bounching around the screen.
(In case you made recording in the Step 3 (File 2) longer than the "File 1" you played during recording it, then the remaining part of the "File 2" is NOT corrupted. It will work forward from the point you stopped playing the "File 1").

There is similar problem (but not the same as this) with corrupting recordings in the CRP2401CIplus(GER_42031)_2013Feb05_v1.01.00 firmware (and possible older versions too) but problem is triggered slightly different way.

Nobody testing these firmwares before releasing them??



This is how this same problem was triggered in the older firmwares (like CRP2401CIplus(GER_42031)_2013Feb05_v1.01.00)
Please read carefully and you see what it different in the procedure to trigger it.

1. You need an ENCRYPTED HD channel. Pick one (let's call this "Channel 1") and make short recording (10 minutes or so) from the same channel and make sure you don't switch channels or play anything else to make sure the recording is fully decrypted (blue dollar icon). Let's call this "File 1" Only when this is ready proceed with next step.

2. Make sure you are on "Channel 1" and stay there

3. Make short timer recording (5 minutes) from "Channel 1" starting as soon as possible. Let's call this "File 2". Let is record for 1-2 minutes before you go to step 4.

4. Start playing the "File 1" (the recording you made in Step 1). Keep playing it until the recording (defined in Step 3/File 2) is finished

5. Start playing the "File 2" (the recording you made in the Step 3). You will see that it is unplayable/corrupted starting FROM THE POINT the recording you defined in the Step 3 (File 2) started. Only black screen and text message bounching around the screen.


Do you now see the difference between the two cases? While they look similar, they are the two different issues.

There is small but crucial difference in Steps 3 and 4 between these two.

[Twilight]

Please read it. It is not the same! It is similar way corrupting recording but it is triggered different way. I'll post again. Please read it this time before deleting.

i mean it is enough to post this one time and we will delete alle double posts

twilight

[2401]

i mean it is enough to post this one time and we will delete alle double posts

twilight

I understand. It was for some reason deleted from the both threads, so this is why I was wondering.

Is it OK to link this way these two?
viewtopic.php?p=995669#p995669

[Heisenberg]

Corrupting recordings!
I found this serious problem with the 1.03.02 firmware (download from Korean server).

These are steps to replicate this problem.

1. You need an ENCRYPTED HD channel. Pick one (let's call this "Channel 1") and make short recording (10 minutes or so) from the same channel and make sure you don't switch channels or play anything else to make sure the recording is FULLY decrypted (blue dollar icon). Let's call this "File 1" Only when this is ready proceed with next step.

2. Make sure you are on "Channel 1" and stay there

3. Make short timer recording (5 minutes) from "Channel 1" starting from 5 minutes (it is important that the recording does not start right away!!!!). Let's call this "File 2"

4. Start playing the "File 1" (the recording you made in the Step 1). Make sure you start playing it BEFORE recording definined in the Step 3 (File 2) starts!!! Keep playing it until the recording (defined is the Step 3 / File 2) is finished

5. Start playing the "File 2" (the recording you made in Step 3). You will see that it is unplayable/corrupted. Only black screen and text message bounching around the screen.
(In case you made recording in the Step 3 (File 2) longer than the "File 1" you played during recording it, then the remaining part of the "File 2" is NOT corrupted. It will work forward from the point you stopped playing the "File 1").

Nobody testing these firmwares before releasing them??

I got a similar result when i recorded some programs on two encrypted channels simultaneously. The 2401 should be able to encrypt one program live and the others later, via the "Descramble" feature. But i got recorded files with a blue/yellow or yellow $ sign and on playback they only showed a black screen. Subsequent descrambling of those files was not successful either.

However, watching an encrypted channel and recording another one in the background and descrambling it afterwards works.
So my "solution" is to avoid simultaneous recordings

[2401]

I got a similar result when i recorded some programs on two encrypted channels simultaneously

I need to try this myself also with the new firmware. At least this worked fine in February 5 2013 firmware.

However, watching an encrypted channel and recording another one in the background and descrambling it afterwards works.

It works that way. It needs those listed conditions exactly to happen the way I described.

So my "solution" is to avoid simultaneous recordings

And do not watch old decrypted recording while recording something from the same channel. It somehow messes up the system.

I was happy to see that new firmware fixed the problem but dissapointed to find it later the same day that it only moved the same problem elsewhere.

I guess it might be a good solution to pull off the CAM while watching recording to make sure what ever starts to record the same time, gets recorded fully encrypted. It works that way for sure.

Maybe somebody could build a TAP to warn users in these situations, or perhaps even fix this problem fully so that no special precautions is not needed?

[2401]

I got a similar result when i recorded some programs on two encrypted channels simultaneously. The 2401 should be able to encrypt one program live and the others later, via the "Descramble" feature. But i got recorded files with a blue/yellow or yellow $ sign and on playback they only showed a black screen. Subsequent descrambling of those files was not successful either.

I tried two encrypted channel recording simultaneously but there was only one way to get corrupted recording (and even then only one of them was corrupted).

It was the way I described one recording getting corrupted but with one additional recording from other channel included. It that case the corrupted recording was the one recorded from the same channel as the one that was playing during recording. Exactly the way I described above (follow it to the letter) but with one additional encrypted channel recording added.

It seems that very simple thing has been missed when (or if at all) firmware has been tested. Achille's heel is in the way firmware is handling recordings when you play old decrypted recordings at the same time. They only seemed to move the triggering mechanism elsewhere when they fixed problem that occured with february 5 2013 and earlier versions.
It amazes me that no-one in past year has not tested this...

I think whoever is releasing these firmwares should make some kind of a list of different recording and playing combinations and test them all before releasing it.

Or is it possible this is some inherent problem with the product and cannot be fixed completly?
Then I'd say product is considered faulty. It would make situation a bit better if they could even revert the problem back to way it was in February 5 2013 because it is much easier to avoid. You don't have to make any "adjustments" when you are already watching something, just make sure before start to watch and there is already some recording going on that you switch away to another encrypted channel and that's it. With current one you have to keep an eye for recording that may start when you are already watching something.

[2401]

Any idea where to report this problem so that someone at Topfield support could take a look at this? Is support in Korea or Germany?

[Wolfman]

The user "gerti" is an employee at Topfield Europe and I am convinced that he will report this to Korea.

[2401]

The user "gerti" is an employee at Topfield Europe and I am convinced that he will report this to Korea.

OK. I hope so because instead of getting confirmation we'll take a look at this or something like that, I actually had to post this report three times. It was deleted two times in a row from the both threads and I got warnings from moderators.

[Twilight]

that was the problem, you post it more that one time and that was to much
nobody is interested to read and answer the same things in different threads...

twilight

[2401]

that was the problem, you post it more that one time and that was to much
nobody is interested to read and answer the same things in different threads...

twilight

I don't get why it was deleted from the both threads, especially because the same problem was affecting both firmwares.

[Twilight]

nobody is interested what happends in old firmwares...and if you want to make a link between both that just set a link to your first post.

twilight

[2401]

nobody is interested what happends in old firmwares...and if you want to make a link between both that just set a link to your first post.

twilight

Maybe so in some cases but I know a lot of peoples are using old versions for one reason or another (mostly because new version break something that used to work before). Still I'm sure not everyone is aware of possible faults in the old firmwares they are using. I posted in detail what I found and how to replicate it every time. I did not see anyone posting that before. I know many peoples are wondering why their recordings sometimes get corrupted. It is also possible peoples don't read every thread so they might miss important things.


I think this is enough off topic.

[Twilight]

whatever...here we post everything only one time...copy/paste and post it in the next thread or post the same thing in more than one thread is not usefull.

twilight